Original Posted By: "gbrasch"
Thanks Gary. Hope things turn out better if n TN too!!And for the record, I would never build the whole project in the living room...Just kidding!But wing ribs and rudders.... Yep!Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: New (Free) Aviation App
Pietenpol-List: New (Free) Aviation App
Pietenpol-List: Re: New (Free) Aviation App
Original Posted By: "gbrasch"
taildrags wrote:> WF2: one more question on your prop. I just noticed that prop has an 8-boltpattern. What hub, what engine-?Model-A @ 59 HP. Custom hub was machined to mate with engines crankshaft, 8-boltsneeded to prevent propeller slippage.WF2--------Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: New (Free) Aviation App
taildrags wrote:> WF2: one more question on your prop. I just noticed that prop has an 8-boltpattern. What hub, what engine-?Model-A @ 59 HP. Custom hub was machined to mate with engines crankshaft, 8-boltsneeded to prevent propeller slippage.WF2--------Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: New (Free) Aviation App
Pietenpol-List: Re: New (Free) Aviation App
Original Posted By: "gbrasch"
Both are beautiful!--------Andy Garrett'General Purpose Creative Dude'Haysville, KansasRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: New (Free) Aviation App
Both are beautiful!--------Andy Garrett'General Purpose Creative Dude'Haysville, KansasRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: New (Free) Aviation App
Original Posted By: "Gary Boothe"
I still get a lot of questions on how to download the Airport Courtesy Cars appon an iPad. So here are some simple instructions on how to do so. The app isapproaching 1400 car listings with over 6,400 pilots that have downloaded theapp. GlennGo to the app store on your iPad,Click the search box and search for Airport Courtesy Cars,The search will not show any results, however when the search is complete a barof menus will appear along the top of the page,The very first one on the left says "Ipad only",Click it to show a drop down menu,Choose "iPhone only" and Airport Courtesy Cars" will be displayed, and you candownload the app.--------Glenn BraschRV-9A Flying1952 Piper Tri-PacerMedevac Helicopter Pilot (Ret)Tucson, ArizonaOwner, www.RVairspace.com and "Airport Courtesy Cars" Smart Phone Appwww.RVairspace.comRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
I still get a lot of questions on how to download the Airport Courtesy Cars appon an iPad. So here are some simple instructions on how to do so. The app isapproaching 1400 car listings with over 6,400 pilots that have downloaded theapp. GlennGo to the app store on your iPad,Click the search box and search for Airport Courtesy Cars,The search will not show any results, however when the search is complete a barof menus will appear along the top of the page,The very first one on the left says "Ipad only",Click it to show a drop down menu,Choose "iPhone only" and Airport Courtesy Cars" will be displayed, and you candownload the app.--------Glenn BraschRV-9A Flying1952 Piper Tri-PacerMedevac Helicopter Pilot (Ret)Tucson, ArizonaOwner, www.RVairspace.com and "Airport Courtesy Cars" Smart Phone Appwww.RVairspace.comRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
RE: Pietenpol-List: Frustrating day of study
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Andy,I fully understand the frugal approach. I tend to be that way,naturally...or, I just like doing everything myself. Money was a bit tightwhen I started, but not so tight that I could not afford to build; but myfrugality usually won most arguments.When I started building my engine in 2004, the crankshaft issues hadn't cometo light. Well, that's not fair...let's not call them "crankshaft issues,"let's just say a better idea came to the forefront. As you say, there havebeen few issues with Piets. That's not the same as saying there have been noissues. A very good friend of mine, a master auto mechanic, as well as hisdad, had a broken crank early in their test flying. He made it down OK, butthat's a credit to cool nerves, a good location... and some good luck!That's all it took for me. I ordered the fifth bearing and never regrettedit. You have several years to save for that 5th bearing.You need to seriously get in tune with William Wynne, if you wish tocontinue building a Piet...no matter what engine you choose, but especiallyif you choose a Corvair. Get on his website and start reading...Gary BootheNX308MB-----Original Message-----
Andy,I fully understand the frugal approach. I tend to be that way,naturally...or, I just like doing everything myself. Money was a bit tightwhen I started, but not so tight that I could not afford to build; but myfrugality usually won most arguments.When I started building my engine in 2004, the crankshaft issues hadn't cometo light. Well, that's not fair...let's not call them "crankshaft issues,"let's just say a better idea came to the forefront. As you say, there havebeen few issues with Piets. That's not the same as saying there have been noissues. A very good friend of mine, a master auto mechanic, as well as hisdad, had a broken crank early in their test flying. He made it down OK, butthat's a credit to cool nerves, a good location... and some good luck!That's all it took for me. I ordered the fifth bearing and never regrettedit. You have several years to save for that 5th bearing.You need to seriously get in tune with William Wynne, if you wish tocontinue building a Piet...no matter what engine you choose, but especiallyif you choose a Corvair. Get on his website and start reading...Gary BootheNX308MB-----Original Message-----
Pietenpol-List: Re: Frustrating day of study
Original Posted By: "Jack Philips"
Thanks Gary.I've been reading Mr. Wynn's amterial since I began this pursuit--even before.I have the most recent edition of his conversion manual in front of me as I type,and I've been waiting patiently for a DVD for a few weeks.I am inspired by John Franklin's engine build (detailed on Flycorvair.net). Hetook a frugal approach as well.I guess I'm doing my due dilligence on risk management. I tend to agree that the5th bearing is indeed a better way of doing things. A better way can almostalways be had at the other end of spending spree. The guy with endless resourcesand motivation will surely find the BEST way. I just want to find acceptablerisk and performance without ending up in debt up to my eyeballs.Your response helps a lot. Thanks again.--------Andy Garrett'General Purpose Creative Dude'Haysville, KansasRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Thanks Gary.I've been reading Mr. Wynn's amterial since I began this pursuit--even before.I have the most recent edition of his conversion manual in front of me as I type,and I've been waiting patiently for a DVD for a few weeks.I am inspired by John Franklin's engine build (detailed on Flycorvair.net). Hetook a frugal approach as well.I guess I'm doing my due dilligence on risk management. I tend to agree that the5th bearing is indeed a better way of doing things. A better way can almostalways be had at the other end of spending spree. The guy with endless resourcesand motivation will surely find the BEST way. I just want to find acceptablerisk and performance without ending up in debt up to my eyeballs.Your response helps a lot. Thanks again.--------Andy Garrett'General Purpose Creative Dude'Haysville, KansasRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
RE: Pietenpol-List: Model A Engine overheat
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Congratulations, Jack! Wonderful feeling, isn=99t it? Nothing like taking off for the first time in an airplane you built yourself.Beautiful job!Jack PhillipsNX899JPSmith Mountain Lake, Virginia
Congratulations, Jack! Wonderful feeling, isn=99t it? Nothing like taking off for the first time in an airplane you built yourself.Beautiful job!Jack PhillipsNX899JPSmith Mountain Lake, Virginia
Re: Pietenpol-List: Model A Engine overheat
Original Posted By: Michael Groah
Pietenpol-List: Frustrating day of study
Original Posted By: gliderx5(at)comcast.net
Pietenpol-List: Re: Frustrating day of study
Original Posted By: "Andy Garrett"
Hi Andy I too worry about the dollar issue. Is it really necesary? I feel that thecrank is the spine of your engine. If you look at the price of the build andthe engine, is the additional 1200 or so really that much more to throw inthe pot? There are ways you can save at least that much by using (for example)a latex finishing system or maybe hemlock instead of spruce. Our lives and the lives of our passengers as well as those on the ground dependupon the reliability of our handy work. Does acceptable risk mean that thisis a good place to economize? That is where you have to decide. By the way I plan to use a 110HP WW conversion. This as you know is the middleof HP range. I will not only use the Wessman bearing but a billet crank aswell. If I build this e ngine to the best of my ability, with the best internals,I can accept the risk and responsibility to others Glen. Aerial in progressSent from my iPhone> On Mar 18, 2015, at 3:46 PM, "Andy Garrett" wrote:> > > Thanks Gary.> > I've been reading Mr. Wynn's amterial since I began this pursuit--even before.I have the most recent edition of his conversion manual in front of me as Itype, and I've been waiting patiently for a DVD for a few weeks.> > I am inspired by John Franklin's engine build (detailed on Flycorvair.net). Hetook a frugal approach as well.> > I guess I'm doing my due dilligence on risk management. I tend to agree thatthe 5th bearing is indeed a better way of doing things. A better way can almostalways be had at the other end of spending spree. The guy with endless resourcesand motivation will surely find the BEST way. I just want to find acceptablerisk and performance without ending up in debt up to my eyeballs.> > Your response helps a lot. Thanks again.> > --------> Andy Garrett> 'General Purpose Creative Dude'> Haysville, Kansas> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 558#439558> > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Frustrating day of study
Hi Andy I too worry about the dollar issue. Is it really necesary? I feel that thecrank is the spine of your engine. If you look at the price of the build andthe engine, is the additional 1200 or so really that much more to throw inthe pot? There are ways you can save at least that much by using (for example)a latex finishing system or maybe hemlock instead of spruce. Our lives and the lives of our passengers as well as those on the ground dependupon the reliability of our handy work. Does acceptable risk mean that thisis a good place to economize? That is where you have to decide. By the way I plan to use a 110HP WW conversion. This as you know is the middleof HP range. I will not only use the Wessman bearing but a billet crank aswell. If I build this e ngine to the best of my ability, with the best internals,I can accept the risk and responsibility to others Glen. Aerial in progressSent from my iPhone> On Mar 18, 2015, at 3:46 PM, "Andy Garrett" wrote:> > > Thanks Gary.> > I've been reading Mr. Wynn's amterial since I began this pursuit--even before.I have the most recent edition of his conversion manual in front of me as Itype, and I've been waiting patiently for a DVD for a few weeks.> > I am inspired by John Franklin's engine build (detailed on Flycorvair.net). Hetook a frugal approach as well.> > I guess I'm doing my due dilligence on risk management. I tend to agree thatthe 5th bearing is indeed a better way of doing things. A better way can almostalways be had at the other end of spending spree. The guy with endless resourcesand motivation will surely find the BEST way. I just want to find acceptablerisk and performance without ending up in debt up to my eyeballs.> > Your response helps a lot. Thanks again.> > --------> Andy Garrett> 'General Purpose Creative Dude'> Haysville, Kansas> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 558#439558> > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Frustrating day of study
Original Posted By: Gary Boothe
Mike, your response is appreciated and somewhat expected. It echos much of thepublished opinion regarding the 5th bearing. Still..., it's the sweeping statementslike "should be considered mandatory" that make me cringe. That means thatif I make a different choice then I will indeed be 'that guy'. It's hard todispute a personal experience like yours, though. May I ask what crank you wereusing when it broke? Who did the work to it? Still, 48 years of success on who knows how many Piets... That makes me feel vindicatedin my hesitance if not my ultimate decision. How many Piets are flyingwith 5th bearings anyway? How many of each type? What issues have they had ifany? Malcom, love your response! Your points are spot on about the endless debate overexpenditures. I ran into much of that during my boat build. In fact, that isprobably working against me here. I went frugal (not cheap) on pretty much everythingwith that and have had no problems.--------Andy Garrett'General Purpose Creative Dude'Haysville, KansasRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Mike, your response is appreciated and somewhat expected. It echos much of thepublished opinion regarding the 5th bearing. Still..., it's the sweeping statementslike "should be considered mandatory" that make me cringe. That means thatif I make a different choice then I will indeed be 'that guy'. It's hard todispute a personal experience like yours, though. May I ask what crank you wereusing when it broke? Who did the work to it? Still, 48 years of success on who knows how many Piets... That makes me feel vindicatedin my hesitance if not my ultimate decision. How many Piets are flyingwith 5th bearings anyway? How many of each type? What issues have they had ifany? Malcom, love your response! Your points are spot on about the endless debate overexpenditures. I ran into much of that during my boat build. In fact, that isprobably working against me here. I went frugal (not cheap) on pretty much everythingwith that and have had no problems.--------Andy Garrett'General Purpose Creative Dude'Haysville, KansasRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Frustrating day of study
Original Posted By: Gary Boothe
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Frustrating day of studyIt's easy to miss some of WW's articles, as he has been prolific, especially on the subject of risk management. Here are 3 appropriate articles worth digesting. He has certainly modified my approach:http://flycorvair.net/2014/10/31/unders ... e-highway/ http://flycorvair.net/2013/04/20/risk-m ... ong-place/ andhttp://flycorvair.net/2014/11/13/thought-for-the-day-having-two-achilles-heels/ Gary BootheNX308MBSent from my iPad> On Mar 18, 2015, at 3:46 PM, Andy Garrett wrote:> m>> > Thanks Gary.> > I've been reading Mr. Wynn's amterial since I began this pursuit--even before. I have the most recent edition of his conversion manual in front of me as I type, and I've been waiting patiently for a DVD for a few weeks.> > I am inspired by John Franklin's engine build (detailed on Flycorvair.net). He took a frugal approach as well.> > I guess I'm doing my due dilligence on risk management. I tend to agree that the 5th bearing is indeed a better way of doing things. A better way can almost always be had at the other end of spending spree. The guy with endless resources and motivation will surely find the BEST way. I just want to find acceptable risk and performance without ending up in debt up to my eyeballs.> > Your response helps a lot. Thanks again.> > --------> Andy Garrett> 'General Purpose Creative Dude'> Haysville, Kansas> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 558#439558> > > > > > > ============================================================================================================================================> > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Frustrating day of studyIt's easy to miss some of WW's articles, as he has been prolific, especially on the subject of risk management. Here are 3 appropriate articles worth digesting. He has certainly modified my approach:http://flycorvair.net/2014/10/31/unders ... e-highway/ http://flycorvair.net/2013/04/20/risk-m ... ong-place/ andhttp://flycorvair.net/2014/11/13/thought-for-the-day-having-two-achilles-heels/ Gary BootheNX308MBSent from my iPad> On Mar 18, 2015, at 3:46 PM, Andy Garrett wrote:> m>> > Thanks Gary.> > I've been reading Mr. Wynn's amterial since I began this pursuit--even before. I have the most recent edition of his conversion manual in front of me as I type, and I've been waiting patiently for a DVD for a few weeks.> > I am inspired by John Franklin's engine build (detailed on Flycorvair.net). He took a frugal approach as well.> > I guess I'm doing my due dilligence on risk management. I tend to agree that the 5th bearing is indeed a better way of doing things. A better way can almost always be had at the other end of spending spree. The guy with endless resources and motivation will surely find the BEST way. I just want to find acceptable risk and performance without ending up in debt up to my eyeballs.> > Your response helps a lot. Thanks again.> > --------> Andy Garrett> 'General Purpose Creative Dude'> Haysville, Kansas> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 558#439558> > > > > > > ============================================================================================================================================> > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Frustrating day of study
Original Posted By: shad bell
One more thought: Wiseman 5th Bearing is $1050. You have 5 or 6 years (maybe more) to save up. I don't mean to be blunt, but I don't know how else to say it: By your own description you are not a small man. Even without a passenger you will be demanding maximum performance from the entire plane on every take off.GarySent from my iPad> On Mar 18, 2015, at 4:50 PM, Gary Boothe wrote:> > It's easy to miss some of WW's articles, as he has been prolific, especially on the subject of risk management. Here are 3 appropriate articles worth digesting. He has certainly modified my approach:> > http://flycorvair.net/2014/10/31/unders ... e-highway/ > > http://flycorvair.net/2013/04/20/risk-m ... ong-place/ > > and> > http://flycorvair.net/2014/11/13/though ... les-heels/ > > Gary Boothe> NX308MB> > Sent from my iPad> >> On Mar 18, 2015, at 3:46 PM, Andy Garrett wrote:>> om>>> >> Thanks Gary.>> >> I've been reading Mr. Wynn's amterial since I began this pursuit--even before. I have the most recent edition of his conversion manual in front of me as I type, and I've been waiting patiently for a DVD for a few weeks.>> >> I am inspired by John Franklin's engine build (detailed on Flycorvair.net). He took a frugal approach as well.>> >> I guess I'm doing my due dilligence on risk management. I tend to agree that the 5th bearing is indeed a better way of doing things. A better way can almost always be had at the other end of spending spree. The guy with endless resources and motivation will surely find the BEST way. I just want to find acceptable risk and performance without ending up in debt up to my eyeballs.>> >> Your response helps a lot. Thanks again.>> >> -------->> Andy Garrett>> 'General Purpose Creative Dude'>> Haysville, Kansas>> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here:>> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 558#439558>> >> >> >> >> >> > http://www.matronics.com/Navi========== ... ==========; - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS -> > > 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D> ________________________________________________________________________________Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2015 00:33:19 +0000 (UTC)
One more thought: Wiseman 5th Bearing is $1050. You have 5 or 6 years (maybe more) to save up. I don't mean to be blunt, but I don't know how else to say it: By your own description you are not a small man. Even without a passenger you will be demanding maximum performance from the entire plane on every take off.GarySent from my iPad> On Mar 18, 2015, at 4:50 PM, Gary Boothe wrote:> > It's easy to miss some of WW's articles, as he has been prolific, especially on the subject of risk management. Here are 3 appropriate articles worth digesting. He has certainly modified my approach:> > http://flycorvair.net/2014/10/31/unders ... e-highway/ > > http://flycorvair.net/2013/04/20/risk-m ... ong-place/ > > and> > http://flycorvair.net/2014/11/13/though ... les-heels/ > > Gary Boothe> NX308MB> > Sent from my iPad> >> On Mar 18, 2015, at 3:46 PM, Andy Garrett wrote:>> om>>> >> Thanks Gary.>> >> I've been reading Mr. Wynn's amterial since I began this pursuit--even before. I have the most recent edition of his conversion manual in front of me as I type, and I've been waiting patiently for a DVD for a few weeks.>> >> I am inspired by John Franklin's engine build (detailed on Flycorvair.net). He took a frugal approach as well.>> >> I guess I'm doing my due dilligence on risk management. I tend to agree that the 5th bearing is indeed a better way of doing things. A better way can almost always be had at the other end of spending spree. The guy with endless resources and motivation will surely find the BEST way. I just want to find acceptable risk and performance without ending up in debt up to my eyeballs.>> >> Your response helps a lot. Thanks again.>> >> -------->> Andy Garrett>> 'General Purpose Creative Dude'>> Haysville, Kansas>> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here:>> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 558#439558>> >> >> >> >> >> > http://www.matronics.com/Navi========== ... ==========; - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS -> > > 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D> ________________________________________________________________________________Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2015 00:33:19 +0000 (UTC)
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Frustrating day of study
Original Posted By: Michael Groah
Pietenpol-List: Re: Frustrating day of study
Original Posted By: Michael Groah
Pietenpol-List: Re: New (Free) Aviation App
Original Posted By: "gbrasch"
Greetings,Would anyone know of a Rich Harris from New York State who was building a Pietenpolin the 1990's? I am interested in contacting him if possible.Thank you,Tom StancyRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: New (Free) Aviation App
Greetings,Would anyone know of a Rich Harris from New York State who was building a Pietenpolin the 1990's? I am interested in contacting him if possible.Thank you,Tom StancyRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: New (Free) Aviation App
Pietenpol-List: Re: New (Free) Aviation App
Original Posted By: Charles Burkholder
Quick update, 18,000 launches, more discounts being added for users, more positivenational press coverage and keeping it free to pilots. Thanks, Glenn--------Glenn BraschRV-9A Flying1952 Piper Tri-PacerMedevac Helicopter Pilot (Ret)Tucson, ArizonaOwner, "Airport Courtesy Cars" Smart Phone App.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2015 20:20:21 -0500
Quick update, 18,000 launches, more discounts being added for users, more positivenational press coverage and keeping it free to pilots. Thanks, Glenn--------Glenn BraschRV-9A Flying1952 Piper Tri-PacerMedevac Helicopter Pilot (Ret)Tucson, ArizonaOwner, "Airport Courtesy Cars" Smart Phone App.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2015 20:20:21 -0500